Greenard staying in Minnesota?

[supafreak84]

Yah, 

And this would be the rationale for why I wouldnt be surprised if they did eventually move him...Turner is (I'm sure) jonesing to start AND to start setting the table for his 2nd contract. 

Edge rotation and WR are the strengths of this team, so I am hesitant to move on from Greenard for that reason right now. Plus he's still in his 20's. 

IOW, I could be talked into or out of it, depending on compensation

If they could somehow make it work by having all three on the field at one time, okay, but that hasn't been what's happened in two seasons. Turner is clearly more comfortable playing the Greenard role in the defense and letting Van Gink do his thing on the other side. Turner is ready and there's an opportunity to add another top 50 pick to the draft arsenal on a team starving for talent and youth. Do the damn thing and move Greenard and his new contract demand to another team.

[medaille]

Turner is ready. Let the young man eat, he's earned it. Only the Vikings could and would screw up and retard the growth of two highly drafted players from just two years ago. The sensible thing to do is trade Greenard and his new contract demand to another team and use the draft capital received in said trade to bolster the roster and fill one of numerous talent deficiencies we have after four years of Kwesi. Greenard would bring a additional top 50 draft pick at minimum. The fact that this would even be debated blows my mind

Most of the conversation in trading Greenard has involved less than a top 50 pick, more like a 3rd round pick.  I still think he’s worth a top 50 pick, but if the conversation is a 3rd round pick, I don’t really feel great about it.  If we’re trading for a 3rd round pick, to me it feels more like we’re just giving him away to save cap. 

We’ll see how the draft plays out, but one thing that worries me is that if we don’t get a day one stud at DL, we might not be able to risk an injury to an OLB without significant drop in our pass rush.  I think the conversation would be a lot different if the front 5 was Backup, Allen, Redmond, Hargrave, Van Ginkel than it would be if the front 5 was Backup, Backup, Redmond, Backup, Van Ginkel which is what it would be if we don’t upgrade the DL and one OLB gets injured.  I think our defense can survive if we always have two stud OLBs.  I’m not sure it survives with only one stud OLB unless we upgrade the line somewhere along the way or a rookie takes some time to figure things out.

On a separate note, listening to Luke Braun this morning, he was making it sound like the rumors were that teams had met the Vikings trade requirements, but weren’t coming to agreement on Greenard’s contract demands.

[purplefaithful]

If they could somehow make it work by having all three on the field at one time, okay, but that hasn't been what's happened in two seasons. Turner is clearly more comfortable playing the Greenard role in the defense and letting Van Gink do his thing on the other side. Turner is ready and there's an opportunity to add another top 50 pick to the draft arsenal on a team starving for talent and youth. Do the damn thing and move Greenard and his new contract demand to another team.

They ran the Cheetah last year, not sure how often?

If they are going to move Greenard, I would hope it would be for a comparable player on the IDL...Takes pressure off the draft and I HIGHLY DOUBT who they would draft to replace him would actually be able to do so in year 1 and maybe ever....Draft is such a friggin crap shoot.

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Most of the conversation in trading Greenard has involved less than a top 50 pick, more like a 3rd round pick.  I still think he’s worth a top 50 pick, but if the conversation is a 3rd round pick, I don’t really feel great about it.  If we’re trading for a 3rd round pick, to me it feels more like we’re just giving him away to save cap. 

We’ll see how the draft plays out, but one thing that worries me is that if we don’t get a day one stud at DL, we might not be able to risk an injury to an OLB without significant drop in our pass rush.  I think the conversation would be a lot different if the front 5 was Backup, Allen, Redmond, Hargrave, Van Ginkel than it would be if the front 5 was Backup, Backup, Redmond, Backup, Van Ginkel which is what it would be if we don’t upgrade the DL and one OLB gets injured.  I think our defense can survive if we always have two stud OLBs.  I’m not sure it survives with only one stud OLB unless we upgrade the line somewhere along the way or a rookie takes some time to figure things out.

On a separate note, listening to Luke Braun this morning, he was making it sound like the rumors were that teams had met the Vikings trade requirements, but weren’t coming to agreement on Greenard’s contract demands.

JG's timing could not be worse coming off the shoulder injury...

[greediron]

They ran the Cheetah last year, not sure how often?

If they are going to move Greenard, I would hope it would be for a comparable player on the IDL...Takes pressure off the draft and I HIGHLY DOUBT who they would draft to replace him would actually be able to do so in year 1 and maybe ever....Draft is such a friggin crap shoot.

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JG's timing could not be worse coming off the shoulder injury...

And a 3 sack year.  He was much more effective than the numbers suggest, but still that is a brutal number.

[Montana Tom]

And a 3 sack year.  He was much more effective than the numbers suggest, but still that is a brutal number.

He is not coming off a strong year, period.  The shoulder injury held him back unquestionably.  But it decreased his negotiating position from the two previous 12-sack seasons.   He has lots of tread left on the tires at age 28.

Now I look at Danielle Hunter by comparison.  Coming off his neck injury, the Vikings weren't sure that he was not damaged goods and balked at a big money third contract.
Drafted by us in the third round, little playing time at LSU, but solid measurables. In 2018, after three solid seasons, he signed a $72 million, FIVE year contract with $40mm guaranteed.
Two years later, in Sept 2020, he underwent surgery for a herniated disc in his neck.
In 2021, he played 7 games before a torn pectoral muscle put him on IR for the rest of the season...again.
In 2022 he had a solid season, and was named to his third Pro Bowl. 10.5 sacks and 65 tackles. 
Before TC, he signed a one-year extension with the Vikings...to be his last. He was named NFD Defensive Player of the Month in October. 

In March of 2024, FA Hunter signed a TWO year, $49mm contract.  He rewarded the Texans with 12 sacks, 46 tackles and played all 17 games.
A year later, the Texans signed him to a one-year $36 mm extension. 
Earlier this month, AT AGE 31, he signed a one year, $40mm extension.

My reason for examining Danielle Hunter compared to Jonathan Greenard...Greenard is 3 years younger.  Hunter had a couple of injury years (while he was on a multi-year contract.  
He has parlayed his exemplary performance to ever-increasing annual salaries.  From around $14mm/year with his first extension with us in 2018 to $40mm for this season.  

Greenard will be motivated to have an awesome season.  He might like more, but if his numbers show back up this season, he'll get paid.  Somewhere.

[supafreak84]

Most of the conversation in trading Greenard has involved less than a top 50 pick, more like a 3rd round pick.  I still think he’s worth a top 50 pick, but if the conversation is a 3rd round pick, I don’t really feel great about it.  If we’re trading for a 3rd round pick, to me it feels more like we’re just giving him away to save cap. 

We’ll see how the draft plays out, but one thing that worries me is that if we don’t get a day one stud at DL, we might not be able to risk an injury to an OLB without significant drop in our pass rush.  I think the conversation would be a lot different if the front 5 was Backup, Allen, Redmond, Hargrave, Van Ginkel than it would be if the front 5 was Backup, Backup, Redmond, Backup, Van Ginkel which is what it would be if we don’t upgrade the DL and one OLB gets injured.  I think our defense can survive if we always have two stud OLBs.  I’m not sure it survives with only one stud OLB unless we upgrade the line somewhere along the way or a rookie takes some time to figure things out.

On a separate note, listening to Luke Braun this morning, he was making it sound like the rumors were that teams had met the Vikings trade requirements, but weren’t coming to agreement on Greenard’s contract demands.

Yeah you just hang up the phone at the mention of a 3rd round pick. Simple as that.

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They ran the Cheetah last year, not sure how often?

In 2024 Greenard and VG played 81% of plays while Turner played in 28% and averaged fewer than 25 snaps a game. Last year was different due to Greenards injuries which opened the door for Turner and he produced. Would you really sign Greenard to a big new deal while also reducing his snap count to a 50% split with Turner? It really doesnt make sense. The "cheetah" has never been a thing. The new contract and Turner are the two biggest reasons it makes sense to trade him.

[FourCornersViking]

Yeah you just hang up the phone at the mention of a 3rd round pick. Simple as that.

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In 2024 Greenard and VG played 81% of plays while Turner played in 28% and averaged fewer than 25 snaps a game. Last year was different due to Greenards injuries which opened the door for Turner and he produced. Would you really sign Greenard to a big new deal while also reducing his snap count to a 50% split with Turner? It really doesnt make sense. The "cheetah" has never been a thing. The new contract and Turner are the two biggest reasons it makes sense to trade him.

Hopefully during the draft, the Vikings get a good trade offer for Greenard so they can shore up some of the weaker areas.  If the pick is really high enough, draft a playmaker or game changer.

[MaroonBells]

Most of the conversation in trading Greenard has involved less than a top 50 pick, more like a 3rd round pick.  I still think he’s worth a top 50 pick, but if the conversation is a 3rd round pick, I don’t really feel great about it.  If we’re trading for a 3rd round pick, to me it feels more like we’re just giving him away to save cap. 

We’ll see how the draft plays out, but one thing that worries me is that if we don’t get a day one stud at DL, we might not be able to risk an injury to an OLB without significant drop in our pass rush.  I think the conversation would be a lot different if the front 5 was Backup, Allen, Redmond, Hargrave, Van Ginkel than it would be if the front 5 was Backup, Backup, Redmond, Backup, Van Ginkel which is what it would be if we don’t upgrade the DL and one OLB gets injured.  I think our defense can survive if we always have two stud OLBs.  I’m not sure it survives with only one stud OLB unless we upgrade the line somewhere along the way or a rookie takes some time to figure things out.

On a separate note, listening to Luke Braun this morning, he was making it sound like the rumors were that teams had met the Vikings trade requirements, but weren’t coming to agreement on Greenard’s contract demands.

I've heard this as well. It's complicated, because the higher the contract demand, the lower the trade comp. But I do think cap savings has a lot to do with it. It's not so much that we can't afford Greenard this year, but if we do give him the money (and term) he wants, what does that picture look like a couple years from now when we need to re-do Turner? This is a contract year for Gink too. 

Ideally, the Vikings would get a 2nd rounder for Greenard, promote Turner to his position, then bring in either a Pat Jones-type veteran OLB3 or a draft pick. That resets the financial picture at the position.

[StickierBuns]

I still think it’s 50-50, always thought if it happened it would be Draft day or close to it.

[pattersaur]

This team is unfortunately really good at letting players like this finish out their deal here and then leave in Free Agency. I'd be surprised if Greenard is any different. The Vikings will continue to be the league's foremost authority and undefeated champions of comp picks.