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  Moss: Jefferson on pace to be best ever
Posted by: MaroonBells - 07-12-2025, 09:47 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (4)

Who expected this from a guy who was widely considered the 3rd, 4th or even 5th best receiver from his draft. Where are you now, Ruggs and Reagor?

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  Sources: Bears extend general manager Ryan Poles through 2029/Jared Goff quote
Posted by: StickierBuns - 07-12-2025, 04:30 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (13)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/4571...poles-2029

Johnson and Poles tied at the hip through 2029. Both hoping Caleb is The Man. 

Here's an interesting tidbit from the Netflix special 'Quarterback' from Jared Goff:

"Detroit Lions quarterback Jared Goff is still feeling salty about how his exit from Los Angeles went down.

In an episode of Netflix's "Quarterback" released on Tuesday, July 8, Goff opened up about his feelings immediately after being traded from the Los Angeles Rams to the Detroit Lions on Jan. 30, 2021:

“I think for me, ultimately, it was the fact that there was not a conversation had and there wasn’t like a, ‘Hey, we’re thinking of moving on’ type of thing. There was nothing,” Goff said in the episode.

“You wish that it wasn’t such a blindside, and you wish that there was some sort of maturity, I guess, to have that conversation and to be able to let me know what’s going on and how things went down and why this is happening.”

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  Should Mason be RB1?
Posted by: MaroonBells - 07-11-2025, 12:11 PM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (17)

Hot take from Dustin Baker: he says they won't do it but he thinks the Vikings should ride 26-year-old Mason and have Jones be the change up. I agree that the Vikings won't do it, at least not early on, but it would not surprise me at all if by mid-year Mason is the one getting more carries. 

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  Buc's Wirfs undergoes additional knee surgery, will miss some time...
Posted by: StickierBuns - 07-11-2025, 05:01 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (4)

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/tr...r-optimism

"The Bucs, going for a fifth straight division title, have their first major injury setback of 2025.
All-Pro left tackle Tristan Wirfs, the highest-paid offensive lineman in the league, will miss the start of the upcoming season after undergoing surgery Tuesday on his right knee. Wirfs, 26, had been limited in minicamp last month with a brace on the knee, though at the time Bucs coach Todd Bowles sounded confident he would be fine for training camp. That's no longer the case, as the Tampa Bay Times reported that the team discovered additional damage during an arthroscopic procedure, necessitating a longer absence. According to The Times, Wirfs "will likely miss at least the first couple games of the regular season" and will probably start the year on the Physically Unable to Perform list, which would mean a minimum of four games out."

Damn injuries, always the black cloud lurking for every fanbase and team entering a new season. This kid might be the best LT in the NFL. Sucks for Bucs Nation.

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  Ranking the best WR, TE, RB Groups...
Posted by: purplefaithful - 07-10-2025, 05:28 PM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (3)

6. Minnesota Vikings

2024 rank: 5 | 2023 rank: 6

A true superstar receiver goes a long way, as Justin Jefferson is one of the two best wideouts in the game alongside Ja'Marr Chase. The Vikings star combines elite volume with efficiency (2.6 yards per route run), and while he benefits from a coach in Kevin O'Connell who does a great job of creating opportunities and space, Jefferson hasn't exactly had Joe Burrow at quarterback in Minnesota. Jefferson is a Hall of Fame-caliber talent and 26 years old. You shouldn't need me to tell you he is good.

The players around him might not be as sturdy as they seemed a year ago. Jordan Addison averaged 1.8 yards per route run in his second season, but there's a distinct possibility the 23-year-old will be suspended for part of the 2025 season after he's tried on DUI charges this month. T.J. Hockenson is healthy after missing part of the 2024 season while recovering from a torn ACL, but the former Lions first-rounder didn't score a touchdown and saw his efficiency retreat to where it had been with Detroit (1.7 YPRR) versus where it stood in Minnesota before the injury in 2023 (2.0). That's the difference between a good tight end and a Pro Bowler, and although that could be variance, I'd like to see that 2023 version of Hockenson again.

Aaron Jones Sr. racked up 1,546 yards from scrimmage in his debut season with the Vikings, but he wasn't great near the goal line and fumbled five times, including a midseason stretch with four fumbles across seven quarters. The Vikings have suggested they want to ease the burden on Jones by giving meaningful work to Jordan Mason, who was acquired from the 49ers this offseason. Mason was wildly efficient in San Francisco, but that team is running back heaven, and he also fumbled three times on 164 touches in 2024. I'd expect this offense to keep humming, but a lot of the players around Jefferson have something to prove.

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2. Detroit Lions

2024 rank: 7 | 2023 rank: 16

For a player who was originally a fourth-round pick and then written off as strictly a slot receiver, Amon-Ra St. Brown continues to exceed expectations. He had an 81.6% catch rate last season, the second-best rate for a wideout with 100 targets or more since 1992. His 70.2% success rate on those targets, per Pro Football Reference, was the fifth-best mark for any wideout with those same constraints. Three of the other top four years are from seasons with Drew Brees at quarterback. No disrespect to Jared Goff, but St. Brown continues to do special things in his office over the middle of the field.

He finally got some consistent help on the outside from Jameson Williams, who had a long-awaited breakout season. Stretching defenses over the top with vertical routes and running away from defenders on crossers and digs, he averaged 2.2 yards per route run and 11 yards per target, with the latter figure ranking just behind A.J. Brown for the league's best mark. If he's this guy moving forward, the Lions are going to be virtually uncoverable when they have their standouts on the field.

We haven't even gotten to running back Jahmyr Gibbs, who followed up an excellent rookie season by racking up 1,929 yards from scrimmage and a league-high 20 touchdowns. With David Montgomery sidelined for most of the final four regular-season games, Gibbs showed what he could do if the Lions ever need to make him their every-down back, managing 601 yards from scrimmage and eight scores. He added 175 yards and two more touchdowns in the divisional-round loss to the Commanders.

Then there's Sam LaPorta, whose "disappointing" season (726 yards, seven touchdowns) was still good enough to finish as the sixth-best tight end in fantasy football. His target volume suffered from the ascension of Williams, as he mustered only about 16% of Detroit's targets in the passing game, which is just below what Pat Freiermuth had in Pittsburgh. I'm putting that more on the standouts around LaPorta than an inability to get open, as the 24-year-old finished 28th in receiver score.

The only knock I can place on the Lions' playmaker spots is the departure of one of the league's schematic masterminds. Ben Johnson was undoubtedly a huge help to the offense and getting the most out of this talent, but with the former Detroit coordinator now off to the Bears, there probably won't be the same endless array of trick plays and brilliant adjustments that we saw in years past. If the Lions can keep this up with John Morton calling plays, they'll be the clear No. 1 in 2026. As it stands, by the tiniest of margins, the adjustment I'm making for having Johnson over the past few years leaves the Detroit behind our new playmaker champs.

1. Philadelphia Eagles

2024 rank: 2 | 2023 rank: 3

After years of top-10 finishes, the Eagles did just enough to earn the top spot. Their big addition last offseason was a key difference-maker. Saquon Barkley stayed healthy, and while he certainly benefited from playing next to Jalen Hurts and behind a great offensive line, he produced one of the greatest seasons by any back in NFL history. He topped 2,000 rushing yards, led the league in just about every advanced metric for a running back and added 278 receiving yards and two scores. The Tush Push cost Barkley a shot at another handful of short-yardage rushing touchdowns, but he had a truly special campaign. There just aren't many other backs in the league, with Christian McCaffrey and perhaps Derrick Henry aside, who have a path to that sort of upside.

And while the Eagles throw the ball less often than just about any other team, their receivers are spectacularly efficient. A.J. Brown's 3.3 yards per route run ranked second best in the league, with the 28-year-old leading all players in receiver score. He missed three games because of injury, sat out a meaningless Week 18 game and played on a team that leaned heavily (and successfully) into the run, so he ran only 323 routes, less than half of Ja'Marr Chase's total (680) in Cincinnati.

DeVonta Smith wasn't far behind, as he ranked 14th in yards per route run and eighth in receiver score. Like Brown, Smith was limited to 13 games and 350 routes, but he still averaged more yards per route than CeeDee Lamb and Malik Nabers. It's not as simple as saying the Eagles' star wideouts would turn more routes into more receiving yards at the same level of efficiency, but Brown and Smith have both been superstars with larger target totals in previous seasons. All three of Philadelphia's stars are in the prime of their respective careers, making it easier to project that they'll stay at this level in 2025.

While Dallas Goedert's receiving yardage total dropped for the third consecutive season, that's more a product of injuries and the team's passing volume than his effectiveness. He commanded about the same target share (25.7%) per route as Jonnu Smith, and Goedert's 2.5 yards per route run was the second-best mark among tight ends who ran 200 routes or more. That figure was warped a bit by the 61-yard catch-and-run he had to set up the winning score against the Saints in Week 3, but having a tight end who can run 61 yards and pick up a critical first down is valuable! Goedert looks better under the hood than perception suggests.


There are injury concerns for each of these players, although Brown and Smith have typically been healthier than they were last season. Barkley has missed significant time because of ankle and knee issues in the past. Goedert hasn't played a full season since his rookie season in 2018. And after those four players, the Eagles are looking at replacement-level playmakers. Jahan Dotson was proof that it's not easy to just rack up yards per route run in this offense, as the preseason addition ranked 110th among wideouts by that metric. Running back Will Shipley and wideout Johnny Wilson are unproven, and tight end Grant Calcaterra was far less efficient than Goedert across 256 routes.

If you prefer the Lions or Bengals to what the Eagles can offer, I wouldn't take much issue. This is a narrow race at the top. When a team can field a top-five wideout, another top-15 wideout and a guy coming off one of the best running back seasons in NFL history on any given snap, though, I don't think anyone can take much issue with Philadelphia having the best group of playmakers in football.

5. Los Angeles Rams

2024 rank: 9 | 2023 rank: 23

If you could guarantee 17 games from the Rams' big three at their 2024 levels of play, they might challenge to rank No. 1 here. Puka Nacua missed six games and still came within a screen of making it to 1,000 yards, as his 3.7 yards per route run comfortably led the NFL. Kyren Williams ranked sixth in rushing yards per game despite not having a single run top 30 yards, something that won't happen again in 2025. And after a difficult first three months of the year, Davante Adams -- who was added by L.A. in free agency -- brought in 576 receiving yards and six scores from December 1 onward, ranking among the league leaders in both categories.

Can the Rams expect all three of those guys to live up to those expectations? Nacua is a superstar, but the only starting wideouts to average more yards per route run in a season since 2007 are Tyreek Hill in 2023 and Steve Smith in 2008. Williams is a great gap-scheme back, but he has also fumbled eight times over the past two seasons, including five in 2024. And Adams had been declining since the start of 2023 before a late-season surge with longtime friend Aaron Rodgers at quarterback against the Jaguars, who might have been listening to podcasts in the middle of plays.

These guys are all great players, so while I have my reservations about the Rams getting the most out of Adams, it would hardly be a surprise if they all garnered Pro Bowl consideration. As with other teams, it would be wonderful for the Rams if another young player broke through. Tutu Atwell is being paid $10 million to help clear out space underneath for other wideouts, but Jordan Whittington, a sixth-round pick last year, might be the more impactful receiver if he gets the opportunity to play. Tight end Tyler Higbee is 32 and didn't play much last season after a torn ACL in January 2024, so while second-round pick Terrance Ferguson is clearly Sean McVay's tight end of the future, it would be helpful if that future came sooner rather than later.


4. San Francisco 49ers

2024 rank: 1 | 2023 rank: 1

The back-to-back playmaker champs have fallen off their pedestal, with injuries as the primary cause. Brandon Aiyuk will be returning from a torn ACL. Christian McCaffrey was limited last season to four games by Achilles and knee injuries. McCaffrey had been brilliant and healthy for his prior year-plus with the 49ers, but he has now missed significant time in three of his seven seasons as a starting NFL running back. It's impossible to project injuries, but it's unrealistic to treat McCaffrey as a 17-game starter for the purpose of these rankings. The Niners also soured on Deebo Samuel Sr. and traded him to the Commanders to help ease their cap burden, nominally replacing him with journeyman Demarcus Robinson.



There's less to go around here, but the 49ers had the league's most stacked set of playmakers heading into 2024, and that was before Jauan Jennings broke out in a larger role. San Francisco's third-down weapon was a real thing, as Jennings ranked 37th in catches on first and second down, but fifth on third down. He's not Samuel in terms of working after the catch, but Jennings was tough to bring down and willing to make catches in tight quarters, which led to him finishing 12th in ESPN's receiver score this past season. Tight end George Kittle was above Jennings in receiver score, second only to A.J. Brown in the league.

Outside of their standouts staying healthy, the player who might determine where the 49ers land in 2025 is second-year wideout Ricky Pearsall, who was 25th in receiver score while only averaging 1.5 yards per route run. Though he was seemingly able to get open, those opportunities didn't yield targets very often. It's always going to be tough to attract a lofty target share with so many mouths to feed, but if Pearsall can emerge as a legitimate starting wideout, the 49ers will have a strong case to head back up to the top of these rankings in 2026.


3. Cincinnati Bengals

2024 rank: 11 | 2023 rank: 2

Welcome back, Ja'Marr Chase. After an injury-impacted 2022 season and a merely very good 2023 campaign, he won the receiving triple crown in 2024. Chase led the league in routes, which helped boost those counting stats, but he averaged a robust 2.5 yards per route run and was a big-play factory. He had seven receiving touchdowns of 40 yards, three more than any other player and the most since Jordy Nelson had seven in 2014. Asking Chase to do that every year is a lot, but the 25-year-old did have six of them as a rookie, so if anyone can do it, it's him.

Another Chase also emerged, as after a quiet rookie season, running back Chase Brown took over for departed Joe Mixon and quickly added a more well-rounded and explosive element to the Cincinnati backfield. The Bengals flirted with Zack Moss as their lead back early in the season, but after he went down with a neck injury, Brown took over as a three-down playmaker. Over his eight-game stretch as the primary back, his numbers prorate over a full season to 321 carries, 81 receptions, 1,976 yards from scrimmage and 12 scores. That's not far from Bijan Robinson's 2024.

The only things holding the Bengals back are the hamstrings of Tee Higgins. A healthy Higgins might be the best second wideout in football, but he has missed 10 games over the past two seasons, primarily because of hamstring and quad issues. He still managed 911 receiving yards and 10 touchdowns last season -- a reminder of how he can make an impact even with Chase on the field -- but it's disheartening to see such a talented player battle repeated hamstring injuries.

There's a big drop-off to the rest of the roster, unsurprisingly. Mike Gesicki had a bounce-back season and averaged 1.7 yards per route run as a "tight end," but he scored only twice and hasn't been able to turn his 6-foot-6 frame into any sort of red zone production. Andrei Iosivas racked up 479 yards and six scores, but that's a product of running 34 routes per game in an explosive offense. He ranked 91st out of 95 qualifying wideouts in yards per route run and finished 151st in receiver score.

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  OT: end of an era
Posted by: Vikergirl - 07-10-2025, 11:26 AM - Forum: Sensitive Topics - Replies (6)





Full lineup

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  Vikings @ Bears
Posted by: MaroonBells - 07-10-2025, 10:53 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (10)

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  Contrarian View -- ESPN Grades Vikings offseason worst in North (C+)
Posted by: PurplePorsche - 07-10-2025, 10:44 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (7)

Summary: Overpaid for Fries and Van Ginkel; Allen is washed; too much for Aaron Jones; draft was a whiff; Positives -- sticking with McCarthy; adding Jordan Mason; re-signing Murphy Jr.


Minnesota Vikings: C+
Biggest move: Sticking with QB J.J. McCarthy as their starter
Move I liked: Sticking with McCarthy
Move I disliked: Signing DT Jonathan Allen

What to do at quarterback was the biggest, most important decision the Vikings had to make. There were essentially three options -- retain Sam Darnold, sign Aaron Rodgers or start McCarthy, their 2024 first-round pick.

They chose the last option, which I feel is correct. Darnold was coming off a career season, but his performance was overrated by the win-loss record. Despite having an elite playcaller as head coach and the league's best wide receiver, Darnold ranked 14th in QBR last season -- a number that includes his disastrous Week 18 game against the Lions but doesn't factor in his similarly dreadful wild-card game against the Rams.

Ultimately, Darnold's collapse made the choice easy. And the Vikings were correct to parry interest from Rodgers, who has not played well since 2021. Minnesota is in a far different position than the Steelers thanks to McCarthy.

The Vikings are also projected to gain a third-round compensatory pick for losing Darnold and a fourth for losing Daniel Jones, per OverTheCap.com, draft additions that are not trivial. But while I approve of the team's biggest choice this offseason, I was less fond of many of Minnesota's other decisions.

Will Fries is a promising guard, but handing him a five-year deal that averages over $17.5 million per season with $44 million fully guaranteed, per Roster Management System, seems incredibly rich for a player who has recorded average-ish pass block win rates in each of the last two seasons. Guards were hot, but, as has been mentioned earlier, several quality guards signed for $10 million per year or less.

Allen is 30 and declining; he had a below-average 8% pass rush win rate as a defensive tackle last season after being a top-10 player in the category a few seasons ago. Yet Minnesota paid him $17 million per year on a three-year deal (albeit with only $23.3 million fully guaranteed, per OverTheCap.com). That is pricier than the deal the Commanders cut Allen on and makes me think the Vikings should have traded a conditional seventh-round pick to Washington and taken Allen's old contract.

Andrew Van Ginkel is coming off a great season and clearly fits well in Brian Flores' defense, but he never exceeded six sacks before 2024. But Minnesota rewarded him with a one-year extension (through 2026) that added $23 million -- almost all fully guaranteed. Extending Van Ginkel is fine, but it was a bit rich and didn't come with more upside for Minnesota (such as non-guaranteed years after 2026).

Aaron Jones Sr. was long underrated because of his receiving skills but is now a 30-year-old running back, yet the team re-signed him to a multiyear deal with $11.5 million fully guaranteed.

Some of Minnesota's moves were fine, though. The Vikings re-signed cornerback Byron Murphy Jr. at three years and $18 million per year and traded essentially a fifth-round pick for running Jordan Mason, who recorded 1.4 yards over expectation per carry with the 49ers last season, per NFL Next Gen Stats. Both moves seemed reasonable.


I wasn't a fan of their draft, though. No team needed to trade down more, given Minnesota's dearth of picks, yet they picked guard Donovan Jackson in Round 1 even though they had a good deal available from the Giants and a great one from the Falcons, who traded up for each of the next two picks behind Minnesota. That was a major squandered opportunity.

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  Crossed to the dark side - Green & Gold review
Posted by: Montana Tom - 07-10-2025, 10:42 AM - Forum: The Longship - Replies (11)

Don't shoot me...but I watched the movie Green and Gold with the trophy wife last night.  
Didn't know what to expect.

Good cast, some familiar names...
Craig T Nelson (from Coach...Minnesota State LOL)
M. Emmett Walsh (filmed just before he passed away at age 90)
Charlie Berens (one of my favorite comedians)
Brandon Sklenar (from Taylor Sheridan's 1923/Yellowstone pre-quel)

I was holding my breath that it was going to be about the Packers.
Well, honestly, the Packers in the 1980s were a backdrop, but that really wasn't the story.  I won't give it away, but I will tell you, particularly after having lived for ten years in Northern Wisconsin/Michigan's UP during that time frame, I understood the passion.  It's no difference than the passion that we have for our Vikings.

It was about hard times farming. About dealing with loss...family, the farm.  Those were tough times for family farms.  It was about aspirations and disillusionment, and doing the right thing.
The movie was about people.  About chasing your dream.
The dairy farmer had a cow named Max McGee that gave birth.  And other cows named Jerry Kraemer, Bart Starr and other Packer notables.  
You learn to hate the banker.
You see how people rally to support their neighbors.
A little bit like Field of Dreams, but far more real.  Goosebumps ending.

I gotta say, I recommend it.   You can still hate the Packers, but you'll get it.

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  Trump.... you are losing your base
Posted by: JimmyinSD - 07-09-2025, 04:56 PM - Forum: Sensitive Topics - Replies (32)

Plenty arent happy with the the BBB,   now the Epstein shits seems to be getting swept under the rug?  Either he doesn't have the power he thought he did,  or he is selling out.  That whole epstein shit just blows my mind,  and the lack of outrage by our elected officials just dumps more gas on the fire that our 2 party system is broke beyond repair.  

We dont need a third party,  we need to get rid of the parties all together.

This is so fucked up.

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